PBS's Frontline is airing a fine report tomorrow night on the lead-up to Abu Ghraib. It offers a good summary how the administration loosened detention policies after 9/11 and how that helped create a culture where mistreatment accepted. Apart from that worthwhile overview, two smaller bits also stuck out to me:
1) Frontline spoke to three interrogators who all have worked in Iraq (including one who is still on active duty) and who all talked about abuse.
Here's a snippet from the transcript (which Frontline kindly gave me a peek it; it should be posted soon on their site):
IN THE SPRING OF 2004…TONY LAGOURANIS HAD LEFT ABU GHRAIB AND WAS WORKING IN MOSUL.
SPC. ANTHONY LAGOURANIS (RET.)
Interrogator, U.S. Army
I remember the Chief Warrant Officer in charge of the interrogation facility. He’d heard about how the SEALs were using just ice water to lower the body temperature of the prisoner. And they would give him—they would take his rectal temperature to make sure he didn’t die; they would keep him hovering on hypothermia.
LAGOURANIS’ UNIT WAS USING A SHIPPING CONTAINER AS AN INTERROGATION CELL…
SPC. ANTHONY LAGOURANIS (RET.)
Interrogator, U.S. Army
We were keeping them hovering around hypothermia in this environment of what they call ‘environmental manipulation’ with the music and strobe lights. And then we would bring in military working dogs and use those on the prisoners. Even though it was controlled; like the dogs were muzzled, they were being held by a handler. But the prisoner didn’t know that because he was blindfolded.
Now, it doesn't seem he actually saw the "icing." But worth investigating no?
2) Frontline flags Rumsfeld's little-noticed and misleading rejoinder to Captain Ian Fishback's (and some sergeants') allegations of abuse. "My recollection in this case—it’s all secondhand information," said Rumsfeld in a press conference.
Let's see if we can help Rummy with his recollection. Human Rights Watch first detailed the allegations in lengthy interviews with Fishback and the two sergants.
Fishback told HRW, "I witnessed violations of the Geneva Conventions that I knew were violations of the Geneva Conventions when they happened but I was under the impression that that was U.S. policy at the time."
Now, in fairness to Rumsfeld, Fishback is unclear on whether he witnessed soldiers actually beating detainees. "There was a case where a soldier took a baseball bat and struck a detainee on the leg hard," he said. "This is all stuff that I’m getting from my NCOs."
OK, so Fishback says he saw Geneva violations but probably not actually beatings. So how about the two sergeants, alas unnamed, who also spoke to HRW? When Rummy blew off the reports as "secondhand," he was responding to a question about allegations from "three former members of the 82nd Airborne Division," i.e. the sargents' allegations too. So did they not actually see anything either?
Here's one sergeant:
The “Murderous Maniacs” was what they called us at our
camp because they knew if they got caught by us and got detained by us before
they went to Abu Ghraib then it would be hell to pay. They would be just, you
know, you couldn’t even imagine. It was sort of like I told you when they came
in it was like a game. You know, how far could you make this guy goes before
he passes out or just collapses on you. From stress positions to keeping them
up fucking two days straight, whatever. Deprive them of food water, whatever.
To “Fuck a PUC” means to beat him up. We would give them
blows to the head, chest, legs, and stomach, pull them down, kick dirt on
them. This happened every day.
To “smoke” someone is to put them in stress positions
until they get muscle fatigue and pass out. That happened every day. Some
days we would just get bored so we would have everyone sit in a corner and then
make them get in a pyramid. This was before Abu Ghraib but just like it. We
did that for amusement.
Here's the other sergeant:
As far as abuse goes I saw hard hitting. I heard a lot
of stories, but if it ain’t me I wouldn’t care. I was busy leading my men. I
did hear about [a sergeant] breaking PUC bones. Stories came out on mission.
Guys were always talking about what they did to the PUCs. Guys mentioned stuff
but I couldn’t care less what happened at the PUC tent a week ago. Putting
guys with frustration in charge of prisoners was the worst thing to do.
I also saw smoking. They would get the PUCs to
physically exert themselves to the limit.